I have a friend who thinks all religion is bad

I have a Friend who … Believes all Religion is Bad

As presented by Rev. Jonathan Mills, Pastor at Kanata Baptist Church.


2008-09-28


Subject: A look at some of the contemporary literature which claims that the world would be a better place of all religious groups were to vanish. Also considers how we might respond to our friends/neighbours who may subscribe to this view in a way that helps them to overcome their reservations.




Scriptures1:


James 3:13-18

Two Kinds of Wisdom

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all, pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.

1 Pet 4:12-19

Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household, and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?



Introduction

At Christmas time, I had a chance to visit an old friend I hadn't seen in a few years. Around the kitchen table the parents caught up while the kids were off having fun playing.

Later on, after the kids were in bed, my friend wanted to talk to me about my views on a number of issues including; Creation, Evolution, Intelligent Design, and a number of other issues he had been thinking about. We had talked about a few of these things in the past, but he was more deliberate about his questioning and there was more intensity as he probed my views on these issues.

Eventually, it came out that had read Richard Dawkins' book “the God Delusion” which he found quite convincing. But he wanted to ask a committed Christian that he trusted and respected (ie. me) how I would respond to the questions that were raised in the book.

It was an intense and wide ranging conversation—which we both enjoyed … so much so, that we did not realize that we had talked until almost 3 in the morning.

When I expressed my reservations about Dawkin's book, my friend said; “I can understand if you're not a big fan of Dawkins, but I thought that he was very reasonable in his arguments and respectful of other views – merely presenting a response from an atheistic perspective.”

It was the next day when it suddenly occurred to me: “Hey, wait a minute: how can you say he is 'respectful' when the book title is “the God Delusion?”

That is hardly a respectful way of approaching the issue.

A) The New Atheism

Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchins, Sam Harris and others represent a disturbing new breed of aggressive atheism which has taken aim at all religious life and thought. These defenders of rational atheism have been described by some as “atheistic fundamentalists.” [That sounds like an oxymoron, doesn't it?]

In the past, most critics of religion held mostly to the big questions: Does God exist? Is there life after death? Is it reasonable to be a person of faith in the light of modern science?

The new breed are leveling a far more direct attack at the heart of religious life and values—claiming that faith is fantasy and that in this age of enlightenment it's time accept that science has made religion obsolete.

Bill Maher. Religulous

Bill Maher—host of the television program Politically Incorrect and popular American talk show host—has also weighed in on the issue. Last year, he joined the voices of the critics of faith by producing a film called “Religulous.” (that word is made from combining 'Religious' and 'Ridiculous' in case you missed it).

Basically, it is a critique of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

Here is a little short sample from the film. In this scene, Bill Maher is interviewing a man who has converted from Judaism to Christianity.

[Start 27:20. “Now, you're an Ex-Jew...”]

[End 29:26. “… one man listening to everyone murmuring – that I get!” (sigh)]

Most of the film is just a silly romp poking fun at religious people—in particular, fundamentalists of every stripe.

But at the end, Maher makes some remarkably pointed comments in his concluding tirade;

  • “The plain fact is: Religion must die for mankind to live.”

  • “… religious people [are] irrationalists ...”

  • “Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking.”

  • “This is why rational people—anti-religionists--must end their timidity, must come out of the closet and assert themselves.”

  • “If you belonged to a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest.”

The Rejection of the Gospel

Those are very sharply barbed accusations.

This is nothing new.

Go back to Sigmund Freud—the father of Psychology—and you'll find one of the great intellectual atheists.

  • Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires.”

  • In the long run, nothing can withstand reason and experience, and the contradiction religion offers to both is palpable.”

  • When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life.”

As an aside, Freud also said this:

  • The great question which I have not been able to answer, despite my 30 years of research into the feminine soul, is 'what does a woman want'?”

There have been countless skeptics and scoffers through the ages. In fact, right from the very beginning, the message of the Gospel was rejected.

1 Corinthians 1:20-25.

Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

From the very beginning, the message of the Christian Gospel has been rejected. In particular, the sophisticated Greeks felt that the message of a crucified Saviour was foolishness.

Some things never change.

B) Responding to Maher: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

A Few Immediate Responses

Now, we do not have time to get into a detailed analysis of Maher or Dawkin's critiques of faith – besides, a sermon isn't the best forum for that kind of discussion anyway. However, let me just make a few quick comments.

1) Science and Atheism are not synonymous. You can be a scientist without being an atheist. In fact, there are a number of scientists in our congregation.2

2) It is also possible to be an atheist without rejecting the value and importance of religious groups in the world. In fact, very recently, I was talking to a man who identified himself as an atheist and who said that he was embarrassed by the Bus Ads. He feels that they go against the very principles of atheism–which do not need to prove anything is not there, or disprove anyone else's views. Atheism is simply the belief that there is no God.

3) It is totally wrong to lump all religions together as if they are all the same. To compare historical Christian denominations to the Puerto Rican preacher who believes he is the second coming of Jesus Christ – or the teaching of Scientology – is really not helpful. That's like saying “All Democrats are left-leaning socialists.” That may be true about some Democrats, but it is untenable to argue in generalities about such a broad and diverse group.

4) The link between Religion and Violence gets lots of press—but it is not a given. Tragically, and regretfully, there are some who use religion as an pretense for violence. But there are many more who use religion as a pretense for doing good—a fact largely overlooked by atheistic fundamentalists. Of course, the other side of the discussion, which is also not mentioned in Maher's film, involves asking what proof or evidence does he offer to suggest that a world run by Atheists would be a safer and better world? Three leaders who defended atheism were Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Human history is littered with activists who argue a philosophy based on ideals, only to find that it collapses under the rigours of real life. The flaw is not the system, it is the people who run the system—and that is the specialty of religion; addressing the deficiencies in the human heart.

5) The Bus Ads say “there Probably is no God.” That's the best that science can do—suggest that God probably doesn't exist. God can neither be proved, nor disproved by science.

(actually, that raises an interesting point: the best attempt to unify Quantum Mechanics and the General Theory of Relativity is String Theory. String Theory suggests that there are several dimensions which exist of which we have no experience. // Fundamentalist Atheism argues as if modern science now knows enough that we can basically discount anything that cannot be empirically measured or studied—as if science has made it impossible to believe anything outside the realm of our material world. Yet, to be consistent with contemporary research, scientists must accept that there are unknown dimensions)

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Incidentally, there is a book by Alister McGrath and Joanna Collicutt McGrath called “The Dawkins Delusion?” While it is always dangerous to recommend a book one has not read—I will make an exception with this one because this is one of the reviews:

“The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist, and the McGraths show why.” ----Michael Ruse, Lucyle T. Werkmeister Professor of Philosophy, and Director of the Program in the History and Philosophy of Science, Department of Philosophy, Florida State University.

Crackpot Religions

While an initial response to these kinds of attacks might be to get angry – or to strike back with counter-arguments in favor of faith – it might be wise for us to take a deep breath and recognize that there is some truth to the criticisms leveled against people of faith.

There are a lot of crackpots and weirdos out there. Bill Maher did not have to go very far to find some pretty outrageous religious groups. He didn't have to look too far to find outspoken religious leaders inciting bigotry, racism, and violence against others in the name of God.

One of the more prominent offenders—and I use that word quite literally—is Westboro Baptist Church, which is well known for its offensive and ugly protests. [Photo: “God Hates America”] This is the only picture I felt I could use—the others are deeply offensive. I don't know if you've read anything about this church, but they picket the funerals of American soldiers killed in Iraq with signs like these. It's disgraceful.

The Truth: Majoring on the Minors

As much as it rubs me the wrong way to watch Bill Maher lampoon the Christian faith, it bothers me more that Christians have allowed their faith in God to be dominated by so many things … that have so little to do with the teaching of Jesus.

Jesus said; remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brother's eye; yet Christians have been criticizing and condemning others for centuries.

Jesus said; put away your sword; but Christians have been marching to war under the sign of the cross since the time of Constantine.

Jesus was a friend to tax collectors and 'sinners'; but the church has often been a social club where men and women come to parade their self-righteousness ... rather than a place for humble service to the poor, the marginalized, the outcast, the dispossessed.

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This week, one of the missionaries from Canadian Baptist Ministries shared with us this quotation from an African leader:

“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”

Let's have the humility to accept that the people of God have often failed to live out the ways of Christ.

Embracing Heavenly Wisdom

In James, we are asked to consider two types of wisdom: the first is earthly wisdom. Earthly wisdom is self-centered and leads to evil.

“...where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.”

There are many passages of Scripture which look at the contrast between a self-centered life and a life spent in the service of God. Here we see envy and selfish ambition leading to disorder and evil.

In contrast to this earthly wisdom, James goes on to encourage his readers to pursue heavenly wisdom which expresses itself in a person's good life through humble acts of kindness.

“The wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all, pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.”

If we are living in the sphere of heavenly wisdom, then we will bear good fruit; we will sow peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.

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It is interesting to me that these things all fall under the label of “heavenly wisdom.” Normally, when we think about 'wisdom' we tend to think about a person who is very smart.

But that's not what this is about at all.

Pure; peace loving; considerate; submissive; full of mercy … these are the things that we ought to associate with God's wisdom.

C) the Power of Christian Love

Not Apologetics as much as Love

So where are we going with all this?

Well, today's message is the fourth sermon in a series on sharing one's faith, and the focus today is responding to the person who is deeply suspicious that Religion is a source of bad things in the world, not good.

This points to the need to continue to develop a strong, clear Christian Apologetic. (Apologetic, doesn't mean “apologizing” for our faith, but rather, the development of reasoned arguments in defense of the Christian faith). Some excellent books are available, including;

  • the classic: Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis

  • The Reason for God by Timothy Keller

  • and, the Dawkins Delusion? If you want to take a chance on a recommendation from someone who hasn't read it yet.

More importantly, I think it is most pressing that we keep the most important things … the most important things. That we do not get drawn into endless arguments about faith—instead of growing in Christ-likeness and impacting others through his love and grace.

Our wisdom is not all up here [in our heads]. Our wisdom—divine wisdom—comes from living in the presence of Christ. Allowing ourselves to be conformed to his image.

By ourselves, we can do nothing.

In Christ – all things are possible.

As An Atheist I Really Believe Africa Needs God

So what happens if we invest ourselves in connecting with the world with love and grace?

Well, people will see the difference … and they will come to understand that God is alive.

There is an interesting article in the London Times in December. The title of the article is: “As an Atheist, I Really believe Africa Needs God.”3

Matthew Parris is the author, and he tells of his recent journey through several countries in Africa. He writes:

“Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do.”

In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good.”

He goes on to say that he used to think it was a pity that 'salvation' was a part of the “package” that the Missionaries brought. If only they could do their work healing the sick in hospitals, teaching people to read and write in schools and so on without all the faith baggage.

“But this doesn't fit the facts. Faith does more than support the missionary; it is also transferred to his flock. This is the effect that matters so immensely, and which I cannot help observing.”

Parris describes the Christians that he knew.

“The Christians were always different. Far from having cowed or confined its converts, their faith appeared to have liberated and relaxed them. There was a liveliness, a curiosity, an engagement with the world - a directness in their dealings with others - that seemed to be missing in traditional African life. They stood tall.”

… “Whenever we entered a territory worked by missionaries, we had to acknowledge that something changed in the faces of the people we passed and spoke to: something in their eyes, the way they approached you direct, man-to-man, without looking down or away.”

This reporter has seen what everyday Christians have known for centuries: A relationship with Jesus Christ changes lives.

It's not some manufactured human experience which the Bible offers, but rather, it's a revelation of the God whose character is love. And it is the faith in this God which allows us to be released from our past and transformed into people of love … in the image of the one who died on the cross as a sacrifice and rose again in order to lead to the Father.

Be Real

So, to get back to my conversation with my friend at Christmas …

He didn't need me to refute every argument. But he did need to know that, in order to be a person of faith, he does not need to stop thinking. Intellectual arguments are seldom the vehicle that motivate people to embrace faith in Jesus Christ. They can, however, prevent people from faith. For this reason, I believe it is important for Christians to have well-reasoned, and reasonable perspectives on life and the natural world.

While I would like to report back to you that my friend was utterly convinced by my incisive, intellectual arguments and—convicted by his sense of sin and inadequacy cried out “Brother, what must I do to be saved?”

But, that's not what happened.

If our lengthy debate was scored like an intellectual dueling match, I am pretty certain his side won the decision.

However, there were two significant outcomes from the conversation.

The first was the complete disarming of his argument that religion causes more harm than good. I gave him several examples of compassionate ministries run by committed, caring Christians. From food banks, to homeless shelters, to food aid, to international development – all these motivated by faith, improving the lives of millions.

Second—and I think this is most important—he respects me. Not because I'm an intellectual giant—but because I am a good friend. We can laugh together. We can engage in the age-old tradition of joke telling; of mercilessly teasing one another; of encouraging each other to excel as husbands and parents; … and we could share our passion for good books, entertaining films, and other things which have challenged us, informed us, and stretched us outside of the mediocrity of status quo living.

On the basis of that relationship, I have earned the right to speak into his life—and it is in that love and friendship that the truth about my faith will become clear to him.

So, the dialog continues. I think I'll recommend “The Dawkins Delusion?” for him to read. In the mean time, I will continue to pray—and depend not on myself but look to God to move in his heart through the work of His Spirit.

At the end of the night—we got up and hugged each other. I thanked God for him, and he thanked his lucky stars for me. ;-)

Conclusion



To quote a famous atheist who happens to be one of my favorite fiction writers; I am not like Marvin the robot who has a brain the size of a planet. Nor do I know the answers to “life the universe and everything.”

But I do know one thing above all others: I have had an experience of God which has changed me. He has utterly transformed me. No one can take away that experience.

And I pray that God will continue the work in me which has already begun—not only to develop my ability to argue clearly for the hope that I have in Christ—but more importantly to seek to gain heavenly wisdom.

“The wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all, pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.”


Additional Scripture References:


John 13:34-35 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

Mt. 7:17-18 “... every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.”

1All Scripture readings, unless otherwise noted are taken from the Holy Bible, Today's New International Version (TNIV) Copyright © 2001, 2005 by International Bible Society. Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved. The complete text of Today's New International Version of the Bible can be found at www.biblegateway.com . Other translations of the Bible are also available at www.studylight.org and www.crosswalk.com along with other helpful study tools and resources.

2For an excellent article on Science and Faith, visit http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~carling/god&bb1.html

3http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article5400568.ece

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